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Last Online: Aug 13, 2022 12:33:10
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Basically they want to put you in jail and fine you if a minor uses your gun to hurt people.

Not sure why this would be bad? If you're an irresponsible gun owner that allows a minor access to your gun and he/she hurts people you should be fined or put in jail.
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Last Online: Aug 13, 2022 12:51:36
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Originally posted by Cowpoker
That's good advice


Yeah... but he'll never understand it.
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Last Online: Aug 13, 2022 12:51:36
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Originally posted by tordman
Basically they want to put you in jail and fine you if a minor uses your gun to hurt people.

Not sure why this would be bad? If you're an irresponsible gun owner that allows a minor access to your gun and he/she hurts people you should be fined or put in jail.


Amen. I'm kinda sick and tired of the lame 'Gun Control' conversation because it's just a patsy word bantered about by politicians (on both sides) to cause misguided fear and lame vote grabbing. It should've never been about 'Control' but about 'Responsibility' instead. I don't know anyone... especially Democrat... that want's to remove the 2nd amendment. And it's not like we haven't passed 'intelligent' and 'responsible' gun rules in the past... but nobody wants to talk about that because something might make sense and get passed and, not only that, but they (politicians on both sides) would lose their 'club' to beat upon the other with for those all important 'elections', ya know?
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Last Online: Aug 13, 2022 15:53:03
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Originally posted by tordman
Basically they want to put you in jail and fine you if a minor uses your gun to hurt people.

Not sure why this would be bad? If you're an irresponsible gun owner that allows a minor access to your gun and he/she hurts people you should be fined or put in jail.


What if your an irresponsible gun owner and a minor never uses your gun to hurt anyone while someone who has their gun in a safe has a dipshit kid who breaks in to the safe.

I'm not against holding parents criminally and financially responsible but let's go ahead and do it across the board. If your dumbass kid uses a stolen weapon and car jacks someone, throw the entire family in jail.
 

Last Online: Aug 13, 2022 16:31:39
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Originally posted by Cowpoker
What if your an irresponsible gun owner and a minor never uses your gun to hurt anyone while someone who has their gun in a safe has a dipshit kid who breaks in to the safe.

I'm not against holding parents criminally and financially responsible but let's go ahead and do it across the board. If your dumbass kid uses a stolen weapon and car jacks someone, throw the entire family in jail.


Its not supposed to make total sense...just has to sound like it does so people can shout it like they know the answers.
 

Last Online: Aug 13, 2022 15:53:03
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Originally posted by Hammer31
Its not supposed to make total sense...just has to sound like it does so people can shout it like they know the answers.


It's pretty simple, if we actually want to make a measurable dent in gun violence, we need to dramatically expand the ATF. I'm talking about adding 10x the current staff and budget and provide them with their own prosecuting attorneys.

If we had the capacity to start charging and convicting people who illegally own and possess weapons, it would make a huge dent in crime. It might take some law tweaking by congress and some stricter mandatory sentences for gun crime and especially repeated gun crime.

 

Last Online: Aug 13, 2022 16:31:39
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Originally posted by Cowpoker
It's pretty simple, if we actually want to make a measurable dent in gun violence, we need to dramatically expand the ATF. I'm talking about adding 10x the current staff and budget and provide them with their own prosecuting attorneys.

If we had the capacity to start charging and convicting people who illegally own and possess weapons, it would make a huge dent in crime. It might take some law tweaking by congress and some stricter mandatory sentences for gun crime and especially repeated gun crime.



Thats actually sensible...you crazy
 

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Originally posted by Hammer31
Thats actually sensible...you crazy


It won't happen because it would disproportionately impact a specific demographic of voters and the political parties are more interested in pandering for votes than actually solving issues. Especially when those issues provide political ammo. There is more to gain from the problem than any viable solution.

 

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The trick is to talk about guns and passing gun legislation, not accomplishing it and then blaming the other side for the failure to act on anything meaningful. Then you can campaign about it and get re-elected because of all your good intentions.
 

Last Online: Aug 13, 2022 12:33:10
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Originally posted by Cowpoker
What if your an irresponsible gun owner and a minor never uses your gun to hurt anyone while someone who has their gun in a safe has a dipshit kid who breaks in to the safe.

I'm not against holding parents criminally and financially responsible but let's go ahead and do it across the board. If your dumbass kid uses a stolen weapon and car jacks someone, throw the entire family in jail.


Ummm, that's not at all what you said. You posted in defiance of the law because it said people would be held accountable. Kind of confused so I'll qoute your original post.
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Last Online: Aug 13, 2022 12:33:10
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Originally posted by Cowpoker
You can throw out the part of the bill that requires a person to be 21 instead of 18 to buy a gun since a US appeals court already ruled that Californias age 21 rule is unconstitutional.

The gun safe law, it's a good personal policy to safely secure guns but this is where congress doesn't think before acting. Is there a teenager that doesn't know how to operate a lock and key? Basically they want to put you in jail and fine you if a minor uses your gun to hurt people.

The red flag law I like, it is temporary and allows the person a court hearing within 2 weeks to defend themselves. The senate should take this part of the bill and throw the rest away and return it to the house.


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Or are you saying it's way too easy for a teen to get into anybody's gun safe? Because that's a bigger problem.
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Originally posted by tordman
Or are you saying it's way too easy for a teen to get into anybody's gun safe? Because that's a bigger problem.


A teenager, yeah.

Around here teens know how to use a torch, weld, operate heavy equipment AND they likely have the combination to the gun safe or know where the key is. Kids start hunting and shooting before they are teens.
 

Last Online: Aug 13, 2022 11:36:07
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Originally posted by tordman
Or are you saying it's way too easy for a teen to get into anybody's gun safe? Because that's a bigger problem.


No. If they are taught how to use them and are parented properly on right/wrong, then itís not a problem (unless you focus on that 1%)
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Last Online: Aug 9, 2022 19:36:11
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Originally posted by Cowpoker
A teenager, yeah.

Around here teens know how to use a torch, weld, operate heavy equipment AND they likely have the combination to the gun safe or know where the key is. Kids start hunting and shooting before they are teens.


If parents are going to be prosecuted because the crazy ass kid they raised got in their safe, they should just prosecute the parents for raising a crazy ass kid period. Donít wait for them to break into a safe.



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