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Hey, CP. You know the difference between a PAC and a Super-PAC, right?

One is an on-record political organization usually centered around a single focus with open-book accounting showing how and where they spend their money by law, and where that money came from. Basically any grassroots organization will form a PAC, and many PACs are great.

The other is a shady backdoor that uses a similar label to try and prop up legitimacy while moving unlimited sums in private with no accountability on use of those funds nor amounts, nor even where they came from.
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Edited by Raid on May 18, 2022 15:23:08
 

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Originally posted by Sooner_Nation
Bill Maher is a very popular 'neoliberal chicken.'


I mean, yeah?
Six inches of pure deliciousness...on a stick!
 

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Originally posted by Raid
Hey, CP. You know the difference between a PAC and a Super-PAC, right?

One is an on-record political organization usually centered around a single focus with open-book accounting showing how and where they spend their money by law, and where that money came from. Basically any grassroots organization will form a PAC, and many PACs are great.

The other is a shady backdoor that uses a similar label to try and prop up legitimacy while moving unlimited sums in private with no accountability on use of those funds nor amounts, nor even where they came from.


I'm on the executive committee of a PAC... Can confirm

 

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Also, Literally "Our Revolution" just spams peoples emails about progressive candidates in small races nationwide and encourages people to get out to vote - has nothing to do with Sanders campaign nor his efforts. They just are huge Bernie fans, as many progressives are. But what evidence is there of them contributing to Bernie's campaign aside from people pointing out that a non-profit doesn't have to disclose donors?


I mean, pretty sure they have to disclose their totals taken in and what they spend it on, and none of that is on Bernie. But somehow, that's his money they are illegally spending on him according to what?


No, not even the article accuses that, but you have no problems insinuating it.
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Originally posted by Sooner_Nation
Just for the record, can we see a list on what Trump lied about?



Start with these,

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

there were only about 40 days of his first 6 months where he didn't tell a lie publicly.

 

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Originally posted by Raid
Also, Literally "Our Revolution" just spams peoples emails about progressive candidates in small races nationwide and encourages people to get out to vote - has nothing to do with Sanders campaign nor his efforts. They just are huge Bernie fans, as many progressives are. But what evidence is there of them contributing to Bernie's campaign aside from people pointing out that a non-profit doesn't have to disclose donors?


I mean, pretty sure they have to disclose their totals taken in and what they spend it on, and none of that is on Bernie. But somehow, that's his money they are illegally spending on him according to what?


No, not even the article accuses that, but you have no problems insinuating it.


So Bernies organization simply pays for advertising promoting Bernies policies but it's OK because they don't cut checks directly to the Bernie campaign fund. It's different than a Super Pac that donates money for advertising but can't donate to a specific candidate either because Bernie's end around campaign finance law is "grassroots" and everyone else's end around is "shady and backdoor". Got it

 

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Originally posted by wormser1971
I'm on the executive committee of a PAC... Can confirm


You've figured it out. Do you also do some consulting work for various PAC's, it's an incredibly lucrative, completely legal, way to launder large sums of money.

 

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It gets even more fun when my legal PAC has already spent $5,000 to get Colin Petersen elected (lol, didn't work) so we have to set up 20-30 more PAC's and give them each $5,000 so that they can also donate their $5,000 to the same candidate and if we want to make it look better, we donate $5,000 to other PAC's in other states for their candidates with a wink/wink and a nod so that they also contribute $5,000 to our candidate in exchange for our generous gift to their candidate. At least we have open book accounting to make it all look like it's on the up and up, almost grassroots like.
 

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Originally posted by Cowpoker
So Bernies organization simply pays for advertising promoting Bernies policies but it's OK because they don't cut checks directly to the Bernie campaign fund. It's different than a Super Pac that donates money for advertising but can't donate to a specific candidate either because Bernie's end around campaign finance law is "grassroots" and everyone else's end around is "shady and backdoor". Got it



weak attempt to deflect bro, you said it was bernie telling others not to use the fundraising while he used it, now you insist it's his organization, another claim the article doesn't make because it's false.

So, what's your point aside from deflecting about all the things your wrong about?

Where's the proof that they gave him money? Used any funds to promote him as a candidate?


c'mon, show me all that shit you were riled up enough about to make a factual thread about.
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Edited by Raid on May 18, 2022 20:58:04
 

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He started our revolution unless you think he was lying and is simply a puppet for some other person.

http://www.defenddemocracy.press/returning-roots-sanders-launches-revolution/
 

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One of their original mission statements

OUR REVOLUTION:Our mission is much more than electing Bernie Sanders

What makes Our Revolution different is that it is designed to advance Sanders’ cause against other Democrats in the primaries, rather than against a Republican in a general election. It’s one thing to say you have to play the dark money game because the other side surely will. It is quite another to be first off the mark in bringing its corrosive powers into a new area.

I could pick a candidate in some podunk district in America that was progressive and advertise their support for Medicare for All and you think it's not a move to advertise Bernie Sanders platform in a primary?

At least many Trump voters have the backbone to acknowledge that Trump is a shady S.O.B., you're still a true believer that this man has some integrity.
 

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You might want to look at the support of National Nurses United, a Super PAC, and the amount they spent on Bernie early in the primary, specifically Iowa while the hypocrite was on stage pissing and moaning and spitting about Super PAC's. He could have easily asked them to stop but as long as dark money benefits him, he just rolls with it.

What a fraud.
 

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Originally posted by Cowpoker
He started our revolution unless you think he was lying and is simply a puppet for some other person.

http://www.defenddemocracy.press/returning-roots-sanders-launches-revolution/


An orgainzation can start claiming it is working toward the same kind of goals as a large candidate - without being directly under their control. And it's not, as you continue to try and claim, nor has it done the things you continue to try and claim.


Not to mention, again, the illegal things you tried to imply have now devolved into 'well, he was associated with it, so it's totally his and all the money is working to promote him.'



Again, show that, once, at all.


If you want to complain about a political action organization, then go ahead - But it's a different thing than a super-pac and you've yet to show any kind of fundraising it's done on bernie's behalf - instead of just arguing it has parallel goals to progressive candidates and was started in reaction to Bernie's run, by their own words.




Also, Might wanna check your sources on what a super pac is and if that is one, or you know, do any research outside of just eating up anything that makes you feel like bernie is a hypocrite.



From Time:

“It’s not a super PAC. It basically lacks the appropriate definition at the FEC,” she said. “It’s just our nurses. We don’t take outside money from anyone.” All the money spent in DeMoro’s group comes from nurses’ union dues, and Sanders does not help the union raise money.



It's literally a union, but that's 'close enough' in some people's books to say dark money is being funneled to Sanders for them spending less than 70k on 2 campaigns for some supportive signs and an endorsement of Sanders.
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Edited by Raid on May 18, 2022 22:35:17
 

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You move the goalposts every time yet still somehow manage to miss with each one.
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Hmm, wonder why a Nurses union might be for a strong union candidate who supported M4A... must be dark money.
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