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First, he is not a Democrat, except for when he needs the billionaire funding to run for president, then he seeks out the nomination.
 

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Second, Mr. No Dark Money in politics established his own 501 non profit called Our Revolution after being beaten in 2016 so he could continue his political crusade without having to reveal donors.

 

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I urge you all to end your campaign finance sources while I build mine so that I can win. What a douche
 

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Yet, with that, still the most genuine and honest politician in D.C.

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Originally posted by atlbruce
Yet, with that, still the most genuine and honest politician in D.C.


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Without looking, I'm guessing you're doing the whole "you can't be a real socialist if you raise money to campaign" argument?

The no true scotsman argument about a social democrat coming from a neoliberal is cute, but not overly compelling.
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See, your argument is that socialists aren't allowed to raise funds, when we all know politicians can't win without funds.

You're setting up the premise that politicians can't be socialist, and if they are, then they can't be real socialists. As a right leaning centrist, I don't think you're the one that gets to make the distinction on what constitutes a "real" left wing belief.

But then again, all of the media leans to the right along with you, and spend most of their budget taking the liberty to define left wing policies. So it isn't surprising you feel justified in joining them.
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Originally posted by atlbruce
Yet, with that, still the most genuine and honest politician in D.C.


The bar might be incredibly low. He's the best of the lousiest, lousiest of the best.



 

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Originally posted by Corndog
See, your argument is that socialists aren't allowed to raise funds, when we all know politicians can't win without funds.

You're setting up the premise that politicians can't be socialist, and if they are, then they can't be real socialists. As a right leaning centrist, I don't think you're the one that gets to make the distinction on what constitutes a "real" left wing belief.

But then again, all of the media leans to the right along with you, and spend most of their budget taking the liberty to define left wing policies. So it isn't surprising you feel justified in joining them.


Nope but maybe you should have looked first instead of making that mistake.

I didn't comment on his politics or ideas, just called him out for his hypocritical bullshit.

He can't pretend to have any influence on the Democratic party at a national level when it suits him but run and be elected as an independent to act like he is above the Democratic National party when he wants to distinguish himself. On that topic, he was very critical of Jesse Jackson for seeking the Democratic nomination, thought he should run as the Independent, change of opinion when it affected him directly. I'm sure you can find other examples of candidates and politicians being completely two faced but it doesn't make Sanders any less of a fraud.

It's OK for him to use dark money to fund his politics, not OK for others.

It's possible for you to find a progressive, a socialist who isn't full of shit. Who campaigns on environment (his track record is a bit sketchy), a huge expansion of a social safety net, single payer insurance who isn't a fraud.

Imagine if you had a progressive that embraced the wealthy, that embraced corporations, that tried like hell to keep the best of the best profitable in order to fund some of these programs. Imagine if that guy had funding available from the huge Super Pac's and corporate lobby money. At some point, progressives are going to need a new schtick to attract attention and a new face to deliver that message.



 

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Originally posted by Cowpoker
I didn't comment on his politics or ideas, just called him out for his hypocritical bullshit.


Of course you did.

Originally posted by Cowpoker
It's possible for you to find a progressive, a socialist who isn't full of shit. Who campaigns on environment (his track record is a bit sketchy), a huge expansion of a social safety net, single payer insurance who isn't a fraud.


At least we got to the real point you wanted to talk about. You don't consider him a real socialist because things he does don't align with what you, a right leaning centrist, dictate socialists have to adhere to.
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Originally posted by Cowpoker
He can't pretend to have any influence on the Democratic party at a national level when it suits him but run and be elected as an independent to act like he is above the Democratic National party when he wants to distinguish himself.


Also, do you see the irony here at all?
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Originally posted by Corndog
At least we got to the real point you wanted to talk about. You don't consider him a real socialist because things he does don't align with what you, a right leaning centrist, dictate socialists have to adhere to.


You could try defending the hypocrisy or excusing it away, you can't, so you try to reframe the conversation.

Bernie being a fraud is the discussion at hand and so far (albeit a small sample size) you are the only one who doesn't acknowledge it.

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Originally posted by Corndog
Also, do you see the irony here at all?


No, I'm not running a public office campaign or holding a publicly held position.

 

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He can dive nuts first into socialism for all I care.

It's working in pockets of the country, Democrats chose a progressive in PA and Republicans chose a Trump backed tard because we've seen how well those dynamics work at the national level (sarcasm)

The center is not going to be able to hold this shit show together if the majority would rather participate in manufactured, reality TV show drama instead of substance.
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